Alright, then; let's get this started off with a flashbang. *Explosion ensues* "I was busy making pies and hadn't intended voting, but after all Mr. Hellman... Well, I voted, and as we turned to leave we came face to face to my husband... my husband was a staunch Democrat, and there I had just voted Republican, He was never so humiliated in all his life... never done any voting in Scotland." -Page 49, Section 3
What were the pros and cons of the first election in The Equality State's Capital, Cheyenne? Respond in one (or more) limerick poem(s) for the pros and cons, respectively.
"One women's rights group, led by Julia Ward Howe, endorsed the amendment...another feminist group, led by Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, opposed the amandment."p.44
Would you have sided with Howe or Stanton and Anthony, and why?
Howe, because she was playing it safe which is smart especially after a VERY controversial amendment was just passed. Pushing an amendment including women would be too much, plus it would take away the moment from the recently freed slaves. Howe was a wise strategist in choosing to , because patience is a virtue. -W.
Why do you think the men acted this way? Were they mad that women were taking their jobs like the immigrants had done before? Or was it just having the opposite sex around?
"There were many sly jokes made about locking the two sexes up in one room until they could reach decisions on cases, but the sheriff solved the problem by locking the women in one room with a female bailiff on the door, the men in another room with a male bailiff." Page 49
There are many reasons why the men were against having the women making the same decisions as them in jury. The opposition wasn't necessarily about them taking their jobs but more about the prejudice men had against women at the time. Up until this point it was uncommon for women to have a major impact on political issues. They also believed that women were inferior to men and didn't have the capacity or ability to handle such matters.
"When the bill finally was introduced in the House, a formidable opposition group was set to kill it with amendments. Ben Sheek, the principle opponent, moved that the age requirement be changed to thirty years in place of eighteen, on theory that no woman would vote because none would admit to being thirty" -Page 47
If you were a male citizen of the United States during this time would you take the Female Suffrage Act seriously, or play it off as a joke like some who opposed it?
I would support it, for the African Americans had just won their rights, and it is now time for the women. However, the African American's rights that were supposed to be ensured by the constitution were being abused, so this would make me a little sceptic as to how effective this Women's Suffrage Bill would be. I would fear that male supremacists groups (mirroring the KKK) would rise up against the women who were trying to exercise their new rights and begin a series of violent outbreaks. -Allison
"On the eve of Wyoming's first territorial elections, September 2, 1869, she invited twenty of the most influential citizens of South Pass to a tea party in her tidy little miners shack" Page 46 Why do you think Esther chose to discuss a national issue like woman's suffrage at a tea party? -Allison
Tea parties were small, social gatherings where people discussed issues, ideas, and opinions. They were informal and people tried to find others who had the same views. Clearly, Ester chose the tea party because she felt it was the best atmosphere to express her feelings on the issue of women's suffrage. -Jillian Woodard
"The womens suffrage law was thrust suddenly into a state of jeopardy." Page 50 Which stand would you take if you were part of the women's suffrage movement when it split in two? Why? -Jillian
I would definitely take the Women's side and join their cause not just because i am a women now, but because I feel like everyone has the right to be equal and the believe that males are superior is nothing more than an attempt to endorse power and think of themselves better for them. Women have endured that hardship long enough and even now the believe that males are superior is still around. The constitution gives us all our rights to be equal and even so it should not depend on gender but on intellect.
-Crista N.
"Later in the following year, 1871, the women's suffrage law ran into rough weather, mainly because the Democrats lost several seats in the legislative elections. The Democrats blamed these defeats on the very voters they had enfranchised in 1869-- the ungrateful women." (pg. 49)
What other factors could have been at play here, concerning the Democratic loses, beside the issue of women voting?
In response to Crista: Another issue that could have caused the Democratic party to lose votes would be that Republicans had quite a lot of supporters after the last couple elections following the Civil War. Democrats were needing to find supporters to catch up to the numbers Republicans had. African Americans didn't vote for them because they believed that blacks shouldn't have equal rights, and a lot of women thought everyone should be treated equally.
"Although Democrats still controlled the legislature, the pro-suffrage members could not stem the opposition tide. The repeal bill passed...The score was even, and both parties thenceforth could claim credit for in-franchising the female voters of Wyoming." (Conquest of The West Page 50)
Do you think Governor Campbell really did care if women had the right to vote, or because he knew that one day in the near future a woman's opinion would matter if someone should stay in politics? Sate your opinion and explain why.
I believe that Governor Campbell did, in fact, care if women had the right to vote or not. When signing the bill, I am sure he knew that the opinions over women were changing, especially politically, but I do not think it was a huge factor that lead him to sign the bill. I believe it was because of Susan B. Anthony. If it was not for the words she said and him attending the women's suffrage convention in Salem the fate of women's suffrage would have turned out drastically different. As a young man he was greatly moved by her seminar and his opinion on women's suffrage was altered. It was his open mind that opened all the doors for women's suffrage in the United States. With him signing that bill in Wyoming hope was sent to all women in America. John Campbell did know that women's opinion would matter in politics, and he had a huge part in making it possible. I think advantages did rise by him doing so but as a Republican signing a Democratic law it took some pride away from him. He did what he felt was right and fair. - Victoria Delgado
“A vote was taken, and the result startled all Wyoming- six in favor, two opposed, one absent. The bill now went to the House, and as the news spread about the Territory males and females alike wondered if Colonel Bright’s “Female Suffrage Act” was not some sort of huge practical joke.” (Page 47)
Why do you think the majority of the Senate voted in favor of William Bright’s bill, “An Act to Grant to the Women of Wyoming Territory the Right of Suffrage and to Hold Office,” when people still regarded the matter as a joke?
Even though some men took this matter as a joke, others knew that women would later get rights sooner or later. If the slaves, who couldn't even read and write, got equal rights and enfranchisement, women would for sure get them too. This influenced the Senate to vote in favor of William Bright's bill, especially because the women were more educated than the blacks and former slaves. - Mikayla mobassaleh
"Better, they believed, to get African American men franchised first." (Page 44)
What previous events could have influenced congress' decision to not give women the same rights as former african american slaves?
There are many previous events that could have affected congress' decision to not give women the same rights as African American slaves. This could include the rights movement that the African Americans went through for so long to prove that they were worthy of receiving the rights of white men.
"Again, some eighteen years later, the women's suffrage law was thrust suddenly into a state of jeopardy." Page 50
As you read through the passage it is shown that the women's suffrage law hit some rough patches, how do you think the women were able to get through these problems and continue to have these new rights?
I believe that the women were extremely hopeful in their quest to gain suffrage. They witnesses the African American Slaves gain their rights, so why couldn't women as well? They had valid arguments and strong persuasive leaders that lead their movement to victory. I am sure they were frightened when it felt like all of their hard work would be swept under the table, but they kept their heads high and fought through, eventually gaining the right to vote along side men.
"This womens sufferage buisness will sap the foundations of society. Women Cant engage in politics without losin' her virtue. No woman ain't got no right to sit on a jury, nohow, unless she is a man and every lawyer knows it... I dont believe she's fit for it, nohow. "
Reading throught this passage, the tension between opposing men and sufferage seeking women is evident. Do you think that women listening to this would be motivated to continue their efforts in recieving sufferage, or do you think that these comments discouraged them?
Alright, then; let's get this started off with a flashbang.
ReplyDelete*Explosion ensues*
"I was busy making pies and hadn't intended voting, but after all Mr. Hellman... Well, I voted, and as we turned to leave we came face to face to my husband... my husband was a staunch Democrat, and there I had just voted Republican, He was never so humiliated in all his life... never done any voting in Scotland." -Page 49, Section 3
What were the pros and cons of the first election in The Equality State's Capital, Cheyenne? Respond in one (or more) limerick poem(s) for the pros and cons, respectively.
This was Jared LaVohn's trademark Poetry question, for the record.
DeleteThe capital was a interesting place to live.
ReplyDeleteBut overcrowding sent the wealthy out of the town.
Just like they had forced the Indians.
-Hunter
"One women's rights group, led by Julia Ward Howe, endorsed the amendment...another feminist group, led by Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, opposed the amandment."p.44
ReplyDeleteWould you have sided with Howe or Stanton and Anthony, and why?
Howe, because she was playing it safe which is smart especially after a VERY controversial amendment was just passed. Pushing an amendment including women would be too much, plus it would take away the moment from the recently freed slaves. Howe was a wise strategist in choosing to , because patience is a virtue.
ReplyDelete-W.
Why do you think the men acted this way? Were they mad that women were taking their jobs like the immigrants had done before? Or was it just having the opposite sex around?
ReplyDelete"There were many sly jokes made about locking the two sexes up in one room until they could reach decisions on cases, but the sheriff solved the problem by locking the women in one room with a female bailiff on the door, the men in another room with a male bailiff." Page 49
-W. (again)
There are many reasons why the men were against having the women making the same decisions as them in jury. The opposition wasn't necessarily about them taking their jobs but more about the prejudice men had against women at the time. Up until this point it was uncommon for women to have a major impact on political issues. They also believed that women were inferior to men and didn't have the capacity or ability to handle such matters.
Delete-Edwin Ulloa
"When the bill finally was introduced in the House, a formidable opposition group was set to kill it with amendments. Ben Sheek, the principle opponent, moved that the age requirement be changed to thirty years in place of eighteen, on theory that no woman would vote because none would admit to being thirty" -Page 47
ReplyDeleteIf you were a male citizen of the United States during this time would you take the Female Suffrage Act seriously, or play it off as a joke like some who opposed it?
-Edwin Ulloa
I would support it, for the African Americans had just won their rights, and it is now time for the women. However, the African American's rights that were supposed to be ensured by the constitution were being abused, so this would make me a little sceptic as to how effective this Women's Suffrage Bill would be. I would fear that male supremacists groups (mirroring the KKK) would rise up against the women who were trying to exercise their new rights and begin a series of violent outbreaks.
ReplyDelete-Allison
"On the eve of Wyoming's first territorial elections, September 2, 1869, she invited twenty of the most influential citizens of South Pass to a tea party in her tidy little miners shack"
ReplyDeletePage 46
Why do you think Esther chose to discuss a national issue like woman's suffrage at a tea party?
-Allison
Tea parties were small, social gatherings where people discussed issues, ideas, and opinions. They were informal and people tried to find others who had the same views. Clearly, Ester chose the tea party because she felt it was the best atmosphere to express her feelings on the issue of women's suffrage.
Delete-Jillian Woodard
"The womens suffrage law was thrust suddenly into a state of jeopardy." Page 50
ReplyDeleteWhich stand would you take if you were part of the women's suffrage movement when it split in two? Why?
-Jillian
I would definitely take the Women's side and join their cause not just because i am a women now, but because I feel like everyone has the right to be equal and the believe that males are superior is nothing more than an attempt to endorse power and think of themselves better for them. Women have endured that hardship long enough and even now the believe that males are superior is still around. The constitution gives us all our rights to be equal and even so it should not depend on gender but on intellect.
ReplyDelete-Crista N.
"Later in the following year, 1871, the women's suffrage law ran into rough weather, mainly because the Democrats lost several seats in the legislative elections. The Democrats blamed these defeats on the very voters they had enfranchised in 1869-- the ungrateful women." (pg. 49)
What other factors could have been at play here, concerning the Democratic loses, beside the issue of women voting?
-Crista N.
In response to Crista: Another issue that could have caused the Democratic party to lose votes would be that Republicans had quite a lot of supporters after the last couple elections following the Civil War. Democrats were needing to find supporters to catch up to the numbers Republicans had. African Americans didn't vote for them because they believed that blacks shouldn't have equal rights, and a lot of women thought everyone should be treated equally.
ReplyDelete"Although Democrats still controlled the legislature, the pro-suffrage members could not stem the opposition tide. The repeal bill passed...The score was even, and both parties thenceforth could claim credit for in-franchising the female voters of Wyoming." (Conquest of The West Page 50)
Do you think Governor Campbell really did care if women had the right to vote, or because he knew that one day in the near future a woman's opinion would matter if someone should stay in politics? Sate your opinion and explain why.
-Kendall C.
I believe that Governor Campbell did, in fact, care if women had the right to vote or not. When signing the bill, I am sure he knew that the opinions over women were changing, especially politically, but I do not think it was a huge factor that lead him to sign the bill. I believe it was because of Susan B. Anthony. If it was not for the words she said and him attending the women's suffrage convention in Salem the fate of women's suffrage would have turned out drastically different. As a young man he was greatly moved by her seminar and his opinion on women's suffrage was altered. It was his open mind that opened all the doors for women's suffrage in the United States. With him signing that bill in Wyoming hope was sent to all women in America. John Campbell did know that women's opinion would matter in politics, and he had a huge part in making it possible. I think advantages did rise by him doing so but as a Republican signing a Democratic law it took some pride away from him. He did what he felt was right and fair.
ReplyDelete- Victoria Delgado
“A vote was taken, and the result startled all Wyoming- six in favor, two opposed, one absent. The bill now went to the House, and as the news spread about the Territory males and females alike wondered if Colonel Bright’s “Female Suffrage Act” was not some sort of huge practical joke.” (Page 47)
Why do you think the majority of the Senate voted in favor of William Bright’s bill, “An Act to Grant to the Women of Wyoming Territory the Right of Suffrage and to Hold Office,” when people still regarded the matter as a joke?
Even though some men took this matter as a joke, others knew that women would later get rights sooner or later. If the slaves, who couldn't even read and write, got equal rights and enfranchisement, women would for sure get them too. This influenced the Senate to vote in favor of William Bright's bill, especially because the women were more educated than the blacks and former slaves. - Mikayla mobassaleh
ReplyDelete"Better, they believed, to get African American men franchised first." (Page 44)
What previous events could have influenced congress' decision to not give women the same rights as former african american slaves?
There are many previous events that could have affected congress' decision to not give women the same rights as African American slaves. This could include the rights movement that the African Americans went through for so long to prove that they were worthy of receiving the rights of white men.
ReplyDelete"Again, some eighteen years later, the women's suffrage law was thrust suddenly into a state of jeopardy." Page 50
As you read through the passage it is shown that the women's suffrage law hit some rough patches, how do you think the women were able to get through these problems and continue to have these new rights?
-Joey Alamo
I believe that the women were extremely hopeful in their quest to gain suffrage. They witnesses the African American Slaves gain their rights, so why couldn't women as well? They had valid arguments and strong persuasive leaders that lead their movement to victory. I am sure they were frightened when it felt like all of their hard work would be swept under the table, but they kept their heads high and fought through, eventually gaining the right to vote along side men.
Delete^ Olivia Castro
Delete"This womens sufferage buisness will sap the foundations of society. Women Cant engage in politics without losin' her virtue. No woman ain't got no right to sit on a jury, nohow, unless she is a man and every lawyer knows it... I dont believe she's fit for it, nohow. "
ReplyDeleteReading throught this passage, the tension between opposing men and sufferage seeking women is evident. Do you think that women listening to this would be motivated to continue their efforts in recieving sufferage, or do you think that these comments discouraged them?
Olivia Castro